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Alan Grinberg omnis at alangrinberg.com
Mon Jun 10 00:13:57 EDT 2019 

The other side of the coin is that one may want to run a business with the least amount of hassle, although there may be a money price to pay for that.

If you do not have enough clients to support a dedicated server, and your IT department is already overworked, a good case can be made for Azure.

We have partnered with a third party to manage Azure for us. We pay a fixed price per user, regardless of server usage. If we were larger scale it would certainly be worth our own dedicated servers and IT, but for now it is EASY PEASY and we are still making money.

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Alan Grinberg
AG Systems/ZOO-INK
San Francisco, CA 

www.zoo-ink.com <applewebdata://3566E438-EAD1-462A-A359-70BCBFB975F1>
www.perfectfit.net
alan at perfectfit.net
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> On Jun 9, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Paul Mulroney <pmulroney at logicaldevelopments.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi $all,
> 
> That's one of the reasons why we haven't looked any further.  We have a VPS plan at the moment at a fixed amount a month.  I've been trying to find an equivalent plan for cloud services elsewhere, and I can't find anything.  It appears that you can't have a fixed cost for these things - it's all variable based on demand.  How do you know how much it will cost you?
> 
> I don't want to spend significant time in the setup, only to find it's going to send me broke in the first month of usage!
> 
> Regards,
> Paul.
> 
> 
>> On 7 Jun 2019, at 10:39 pm, Michael Matthews via omnisdev-en <omnisdev-en at lists.omnis-dev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmmmm.
>> 
>> I like the analogy :)
>> 
>> Thanks for the nod, as you say, do the maths.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>>          <http://www.lineal.co.uk/>         
>> 
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>> Mike Matthews
>> omnis at lineal.co.uk <mailto:omnis at lineal.co.uk>
>> Lineal Software Solutions 
>> 01271 375999 
>> Commercial House, The Strand
>> Barnstaple, Devon, EX31 1EU 
>> www.lineal.co.uk <http://www.lineal.co.uk/>
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Jun 2019, at 14:18, Doug Easterbrook <doug at artsman.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi mike
>>> 
>>> we had a look at azure.    They were giving $5,000 of free credits to all not for profits in north america on an annual basis … so then we did the math.   By the time we were done and had configured machines for postgres and web, the total cost to run in their cloud to handle the load we needed, with streaming replicaiton was in excess of $20,000 annually (less $5,000 credit).    it was so expensive — but things would run.
>>> 
>>> We have a client or two who did this themselves.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> the bottom line.   
>>> - looks cheap.   wasn’t.  costs escalate quickly
>>> - you still have to do all the setup work.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> its why we decided to go the colocation approach and put our own servers in place.   Cost of  huge server (think 256 gigs ram, 12 spinning disks, 32 cores) was about $7,000 fixed cost (for an accountant, thats 5 years to amortize - $1400 per year) plus colocation rental ($650/mth)
>>> 
>>> and it is quickly apparent that amazon and azure are simply gold mines for those respective companies.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> so we made that gold mine our own gold mine — so we totally keep our customers costs low (about 25% of azures fees), add in privacy (known location of server, away from the reaches of American Laws), PCI, GDPR concerns, put our own firewalls in place
>>> 
>>> even with somebody managing it using the tech stack we talked about at euromnis last year — it is the best way to go.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> that my opinion.       
>>> 
>>> 
>>> if you are looking at Asure as a gift horse, think of it more as a Trojan horse.   it will cost you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Doug Easterbrook
>>> Arts Management Systems Ltd.
>>> mailto:doug at artsman.com <mailto:doug at artsman.com>
>>> http://www.artsman.com <http://www.artsman.com/>
>>> Phone (403) 650-1978
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 5:24 AM, Michael Matthews via omnisdev-en <omnisdev-en at lists.omnis-dev.com <mailto:omnisdev-en at lists.omnis-dev.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> 
>>>> So then, an easy Friday PM question.  
>>>> 
>>>> Through one way an another, we have a lot of Microsoft Azure space and functions at our disposal.  Mainly because we have several Gold Status certificated staff and sell plenty of MS product.
>>>> 
>>>> We can run PostGres in Azure, plenty pf access, etc.  Who uses Azure & servers for their clients with web services relating to Omnis, if any?  Does anyone run Omnis in Azure?  Can you do this?  I’m trying to see how to use this space really.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>>         <http://www.lineal.co.uk/ <http://www.lineal.co.uk/>>         
>>>> 
>>>> <https://twitter.com/linealsoftware <https://twitter.com/linealsoftware>>  <https://www.facebook.com/linealsoftware?fref=ts&ref=br_tf <https://www.facebook.com/linealsoftware?fref=ts&ref=br_tf>>  <https://plus.google.com/112982815000763473226/about <https://plus.google.com/112982815000763473226/about>>  <https://www.linkedin.com/company/1859834?trk=tyah&trkInfo=clickedVertical%3Acompany%2Cidx%3A1-1-1%2CtarId%3A1437729256906%2Ctas%3Alineal%20s <https://www.linkedin.com/company/1859834?trk=tyah&trkInfo=clickedVertical%3Acompany%2Cidx%3A1-1-1%2CtarId%3A1437729256906%2Ctas%3Alineal%20s>>		
>>>> Mike Matthews
>>>> omnis at lineal.co.uk <mailto:omnis at lineal.co.uk> <mailto:omnis at lineal.co.uk <mailto:omnis at lineal.co.uk>>
>>>> Lineal Software Solutions 
>>>> 01271 375999 
>>>> Commercial House, The Strand
>>>> Barnstaple, Devon, EX31 1EU 
>>>> www.lineal.co.uk <http://www.lineal.co.uk/> <http://www.lineal.co.uk/ <http://www.lineal.co.uk/>>
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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