Approaching Omnis again scares me, too much to learn?
Jerry Greenberg
jerry at leadingedgesoftware.net
Fri Jan 5 13:12:55 EST 2018
I agree, I have always been fond of the local db
but with O8 sqllite is an interesting surprise.
At 08:56 AM 1/5/2018, you wrote:
>And if O$8 supports Sqlite natively, it would be
>a breeze to make a O$8 web server & a multiuser
>sqlite server. And remember that Sqlite supports
>fulltext search and indexing with accented chars
>(where you can say éèêë is e for indexing).
>Sqlite is the only mobile phone option but if
>all is sql below, migration to PG should be
>easy. Best wishes to all. --- Learn something
>new every day! > On 5 Jan 2018, at 17:37, Marc
>De Roover <omnis1 at arcict.com> wrote: > >
>Jerry, > > Since you missed Euromnis this year
>:-( > > At EurOmnis Bob W announced a one more
>thing: an addition to the SQLite DAM which would
>allow an DML emulation to SQLite. > As Bob said
>it feels like a guilty pleasure. ( and if can be
>done for SQLite why not PG . . . ) > > This is
>imho one additional reason to move to O$8 > >
>Regards, > > > Marc > >> On 4 Jan 2018, at
>15:14, Jerry Greenberg wrote: >> >> Hi Das,
>basic SQL is actually pretty simple and for most
>desktop/dml type apps that's all you'll really
>need. Sure for ultimate efficiency you can
>create some complex SQL but for smaller apps
>it's really not necessary. Learn the strategies
>of connecting your tables, learn your joins and
>you'll be off to a running start. >> >> As you
>may recall I have been around Omnis since the
>80s as well, and for a while on the Omnis
>Consulting team, and I have worked with many of
>the developers here and on numerous large
>projects and I think my best advice for you is
>this. Understand that much of what you read
>here on the list comes from developers that have
>or currently work on multi developer teams, for
>large companies, and on very large projects, and
>the techniques they use have some great
>advantages in that environment. But, to try and
>implement those techniques in a single developer
>environment is most likely counter productive,
>daunting and complex. You may want to learn
>some of those techniques down the line but you
>don't have to use them. >> >> My suggestion is
>to learn basic sql, and forget about table
>classes, and query classes for now. (if you use
>them you won't be learning your sql) Just use
>the schema classes, define your lists and rows
>from the schema classes, create some select
>statements, and use your notation skills to
>access the data. It's a good start. >> >> >> oh
>btw. the sqllite database is a great little
>database which I look at as a great replacement
>to the datafile. >> >> >> Good luck, >>
>Jerry >> >> At 03:55 PM 1/2/2018, you wrote: >>>
>Hello All, I am RE approaching Omnis with a view
>to becoming a developer/consultant to
>businesses. I am completely expert with Omnis
>and the native database it provides, but
>donâÂÂt know SQL or anything else, I only
>know Omnis. I donâÂÂt know any other language
>at all. I go back to 86 but havenâÂÂt done
>anything for ten years. ItâÂÂs scary enough
>to have to learn SQL and how to connect to
>databases. But all the stuff you guys and gals
>discuss here and on the other forum scares
>me. How did you all learn all about Java and
>Jason and Restful etc etc. How do you keep it
>straight in your heads? My real question is
>this: If I could learn SQL and how to setup and
>maintain backends and the connectivity, is that
>enough to be a consultant today? I imagine
>right away the next point is that businesses
>will want phone access apps, tablet apps, to
>access their databases and then IâÂÂd be
>looking at Javascript which I donâÂÂt know.
>At age 57 and reapproaching, I wonder how much
>time it takes to learn these things and begin
>consulting. Are all these fancy other things
>smaller than Omnis learning itself? I sure hope
>so. It took a good while to learn
>Omnis. IâÂÂm very good at Omnis but only
>Omnis Native. DonâÂÂt yet know what a Schema
>is, but I can do notation to control anything, I
>can do complex interfaces and handle complex
>data. Just dont know anything else. Do any
>businesses still go for using the Native
>Datafile? With that IâÂÂm ready already. One
>reason I want to learn SQL is to earn more. The
>businesses for which the Native datafile is
>appropriate are smaller and poorer. I believe
>you can charge more to the SQL requiring
>businesses. Comments? Is the "Lone Developer"
>still possible? You all seem to be in teams.
>Just scared badly. Any help appreciated.
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