O$4 - Copy a continer object

Michael Mantkowski michaelj at clientrax.com
Sun Mar 15 19:16:34 EDT 2015

I think when Mischa refers to a "Desktop Window" he simply means a Window
that can contain other windows and act as a container for several Window
Instances that are independent of each other.  Just like with Word or Excel
where each document file opens in its own space but can be acted upon with
all the features of Excel.

This is what I want to do.  I want to have virtual client spaces where I can
open several windows (Client window, Patient Window, Invoice Window, Etc.)
and each one is its own space but its Windows act just like any other window
in Omnis.  But it is restricted on its own "Desktop".  Using this, the
computer operator can then open several different clients and act on each of
them independently without losing their place when they move between them.

As I said in the previous post, I can do all this now with Subwindows.
However, the one drawback is that we cannot control the Z Order of the
Subwindows.  So simply clicking on the Subwindow space does not bring it to
top unless you are in Enter Data Mode or Modeless enter data and have an
entry field active.  Then once you leave that Subwindow, it goes back to its
Z Order position even if you wanted it to be on top or at least in the 2nd
position.  This being the case, overlapping windows are a problem.  And
there is not enough room on a single desktop where I could have every window
they might like to use open at the same time.

Of course we could start using Tab Panes and other methods of hiding and
showing various information.  But sometimes it is just nice to have your
windows where you want to put them rather than where the developer decides.


Michael Mantkowski
ClienTrax Software

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Subject: Re: O$4 - Copy a continer object

Personal opinion.

I would never want a 'desktop' window -- users on OSX expect that the
Z-Order of windows be independent of applications.   In other words, you can
have an excel, word, omnis, word, omnis ,then excel window.   in that order.

makes interaction between applications far easier

however, If you wish to use MDI frames metaphor (a la windows), could you
make a window that sits in the background with everything else aways on top
-- if you wanted.

Personally, what I really want is the ability to drag items from omnis to
the desktop -- to get data out of lists

Doug Easterbrook
Arts Management Systems Ltd.
mailto:doug at artsman.com
Phone (403) 536-1205    Fax (403) 536-1210

> On Mar 15, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Mischa <mischa at omnislab.com> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> this was my prayer to Blyth/Omnis Software/Raining Data/TL since ages:
> us a desktop window. This is a window that stays in background all the
> but can react to mouse clicks and events - for exactly the thing you have
> mind. My impression always was, they had no idea what I'm talking about,
> however now that I sometimes have to test my applications on Macs, I can
> why - Macs don't have a desktop at all. At $euromnis 2014 I however had
> opportunity to talk with Bob Whiting, and at least it was acknowledged
> this in fact could be useful and not too hard to implement ;)
> You cannot switch the $order in a window instance, however setting the
> current field should bring it to the front. I did something similar with
> subwindows, however gave up because the redraw was quite strange when I
> dragged it around in the master window - the screen contents from the old
> position was not removed so it had a trail along the movement.
> Best greetings
> Mischa

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